"Torture is a sad albeit at times necessary part of war."

- Bernie Farber, Executive Director (Ontario Region), Canadian Jewish Congress

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David Irving's Action Report | Posted Thursday, January 28, 1999

WITNESSES LATEST

is Revealed as Torture Apologist

Lipstadt's Witness Farber


LONDON, England -- IT IS is learned today that one of Professor Deborah
Lipstadt's principal witnesses, a Canadian who has often voiced trenchant
criticism of David Irving, revealed himself in an unguarded moment in 1998
as an outspoken supporter of torturing prisoners.

Mr Farber, whose witness statement was removed from Mr Irving's website
under a High Court order made at Lipstadt's own application by Mr Justice
Moses two days ago, became embroiled in a heated Internet debate with a
rightwing
Canadian on the alt-revisionism discussion group. The language on these
groups is often heated.

After the rightwinger quoted a 1985 Globe and Mail article on the manner in
which the Ernst Zündel trial had exposed deep divisions in the Canadian
Jewish community, Mr Farber was stung to surmise that his critic was either
a Jew or an antisemite. "I wonder which category you fall into?" he wrote.

"Wonder no more," came the sardonic response, "as a I am a lay preacher in
the Church of What's Happening Now."

"That's funny!" exclaimed Farber. But his tormentor now added: "Torture!"

Necessary

Challenging Farber to comment on the torture of Palestinian prisoners by
Israeli forces -- he even referred to them as "kosher Klaus Barbies," in a
reference to the Vichy French war criminal, the Canadian provocatively
asked outright: "Are you for or against your Jewish co-religionists (being)
given a big green light to inflict their hideous tortures over there in the
Holy Land?"

[ In fairness to Farber, we remark that although all of the civilized
nations, only Israel sanctions, as a matter of law, the use of torture, it
has the approval of the Israeli Supreme Court which calls it "moderate
physical persuasion." The United Nations take a different view, having
repeatedly condemned the Shin Beth and Israeli security forces of violating
international law in their actions against Palestinian detainees. Amnesty
International stated as recently as Jan 12, 1999: "Israel is the only
country in the world to have effectively legalised torture . . . "]

Typing out his response in his own hand, Bernie M Farber then responded:
"Israel is a democratic nation that since its existence has faced the
brutal reality that its neighbours want to eradicate it. Torture is a sad
albeit at times necessary part of war." Israel, he added, would prefer
peace, but "until that day Israel will do what it must to protect itself
and its people." Signing off, his Canadian critic sarcastically referred to
the hypocritical Farber as "you big humanitarian lug," and a
"personification of all that's tolerant and good and wise: "You vigorous
champion of Canadian multiculturalism."

Apologist for torture

Drawing the attention of Professor Lipstadt's attorneys to this unwholesome
apologia for torture, Mr Irving writes them today:

"There has been a good response to my posting of your clients' witness
statements, including evidence, which I shall put at the appropriate moment
to the witness B Farber, that he stated in a public forum that he
personally approves of the torture of prisoners (which is a crime of
particular gravity).

"Should you refer this matter to the Court again I shall not hesitate to
produce this crop of results as adequate justification for the use to which
I put these materials. I regard the order which you sought as an improper
attempt to hinder my gathering of evidence in this case."

The attorneys have warned him that he faces prison if he refers again to
the content of the witness statements.